Comments on vWorker Latest News Blog: Why use pay-for-time? (for workers)

Shafiq, My apologies for the inconvenience and we&...

2010-09-19T10:53:58.330-04:00

Shafiq,
My apologies for the inconvenience and we'll get a solution for you. First contact support (at) vWorker.com rather than this blog because we can't get enough information from you (like your account etc.) in this forum to help you. I do see an email pending this weekend which is most likely from you, but you didn't indicate which projects. I'll write back to that email, but if that isn't you, please email the above address to get this worked out. Thanks.
Ian

My Buyer reply that "Hi, sorry I insist on th...

2010-09-19T05:56:08.245-04:00

My Buyer reply that "Hi, sorry I insist on the webcam due to some unhappy experiences with a previous coder without a webcam.
Please try your best, if still cannot, then we'll have no choice but to cancel this project.
I hope you understand, thank you."

What can I do for it?
AccuTimecard is not working properly.
I can login but can not start work.

I cant start work via timecard software. It says c...

2010-09-19T05:42:39.842-04:00

I cant start work via timecard software.
It says camera is not found.

Sir I won 02 pay for time project. I installed the...

2010-09-19T05:08:29.732-04:00

Sir
I won 02 pay for time project.
I installed the AccuTimecard Software and login there.
But I can start working. It says camera is not found though my web cam camera is ok and I am doing video chat in yahoo.
I inform rac about the issue but no answere found.
My time is short.
Please help me.
I am using Dell Inspiron 14R notebook.

Thanks.

Hello admin, My apologies for the inconvenience. ...

2010-08-23T10:56:01.487-04:00

Hello admin,
My apologies for the inconvenience. Yes it has been tested on XP, so there is something related to the configuration of the hardware or software that is causing your issue. It's very difficult to diagnose hardware or software issues in this forum. However if you contact support (at) vworker.com or call into the support phone #, we can gather more information from you and figure out the cause. Thanks.
Ian

Hi i try to install the software to my PC with win...

2010-08-22T09:05:37.492-04:00

Hi i try to install the software to my PC with windows XP but fail when run the app, i try to install on my other PC and it's also fail to run.

Have you try to run with XP
i have pay for time project this week and need this software work well

Ty, >>I've finally installed the timeca...

2010-08-09T23:50:15.545-04:00

Ty,

>>I've finally installed the timecard, had been unable to since the 1st beta came out (last year ?).

I'm glad to hear that.

>>Anyway I'd say the problem is the *installer.
1) It suggests for users to install the timecard files straight in the start menu by default which of course didn't work. I think you need to change the default folder to Program files for less attentive folk.

I don't quite understand you why "of course" that wouldn't work? I just ran the installer on my machine and it installed properly in that directory. Can you clarify (but please send to support at vworker.com rather than this blog, as this isn't a suitable forum for doing support).

>>2) The JRE shouldn't really be a problem since the installer prompts you to install or skip JRE install right ?

I'm not understanding what problem you are asking me about when referring to with the JRE, but the install does indeed let you choose between both.

>>Anyway I thought I already had the JRE but wasn't sure about it or version etc. With the bad installation path it simply skips jre install but I think with a good install folder like program files it starts jre download (?) 10MB. Any, it was staying idle so since I thought I had JRE I stopped the installer and tried it from the program files and it worked. Start menu and desktop icon didn't.

Are you perhaps running 64 bit Windows?

>>BTW, thought Java worked on all operating systems ??

Again, I'm not sure what preceding question this refers to. But Java does run on all OS's. However there is a bug in the JRE with the path in 64 bit systems. A future version of the app will fix systems with this issue.

Anyway, please write directly to support (at) vworker.com so we can understand what you're referring to with the above. Thanks.

Ian

Ian >>Good morning Good afternoon. >&...

2010-08-09T17:31:14.031-04:00

Ian

>>Good morning

Good afternoon.

>>I am based in England, Europe and over here the definition of Self Employed or Employed is “The Reality Of The Relationship” rather than nomination by both parties. By this I mean that the buyer and the worker can’t say this is a “self employed relationship” if it is not.

Yes, it is the same way here in the United States. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has rules that determine whether the relationship is an employee or a contractor (the equivalent of your self-employed, I believe) relationship...no matter what the two parties may label it or call it.

>>Pay For Time will almost certainly make the relationship one of employer and employee, the fact that you are paid for the work rather than the outcome is nearly always regarded as one of the main signs of employment. The concept of risk is an important one in determining employment and self employment and you have emphasised the reduction in this risk.

In the U.S. an important part of this is that the work must recur regulary and predictably every single week, and also there are several other criteria which place pay-for-time firmly in the contractor camp (versus employee).

Do you have a 3rd party resource you can point me to that explains the law in the the UK?

>>What is very important about this is that the buyer is unlikely to know that I have just become his employee and he how has a load of obligations that he doesn’t know about.

Most of our buyers are located in the U.S.. As such, UK laws wouldn't apply to them. However if a buyer were in the UK and if your interpretation of it is 100% then this could be a factor to them. But we'll look into this possibility closer when you provide a good 3rd party reference.

>>There are certain industries such were hourly payment is historically the norm and this is allowed but software development is not one of them.

Thanks for the information.

Ian

Good morning I am based in England, Europe and ov...

2010-08-08T01:45:12.753-04:00

Good morning

I am based in England, Europe and over here the definition of Self Employed or Employed is “The Reality Of The Relationship” rather than nomination by both parties. By this I mean that the buyer and the worker can’t say this is a “self employed relationship” if it is not.

Pay For Time will almost certainly make the relationship one of employer and employee, the fact that you are paid for the work rather than the outcome is nearly always regarded as one of the main signs of employment.

The concept of risk is an important one in determining employment and self employment and you have emphasised the reduction in this risk.

What is very important about this is that the buyer is unlikely to know that I have just become his employee and he how has a load of obligations that he doesn’t know about.

There are certain industries such were hourly payment is historically the norm and this is allowed but software development is not one of them.

What's your view on this issue?

Bye

Ian Smith

I've finally installed the timecard, had been ...

2010-08-05T19:15:05.020-04:00

I've finally installed the timecard, had been unable to since the 1st beta came out (last year ?).

Anyway I'd say the problem is the *installer.

1) It suggests for users to install the timecard files straight in the start menu by default which of course didn't work. I think you need to change the default folder to Program files for less attentive folk.

2) The JRE shouldn't really be a problem since the installer prompts you to install or skip JRE install right ? Anyway I thought I already had the JRE but wasn't sure about it or version etc. With the bad installation path it simply skips jre install but I think with a good install folder like program files it starts jre download (?) 10MB. Any, it was staying idle so since I thought I had JRE I stopped the installer and tried it from the program files and it worked. Start menu and desktop icon didn't.

BTW, thought Java worked on all operating systems ??

Ty A.
Demossoft Hosting
http://www.demossoft.com

Sankalan, One more thing: if you can only use linu...

2010-08-05T10:24:54.487-04:00

Sankalan,
One more thing: if you can only use linux, then send us an email at suppport at vworker.com and we'll send you an update once the Linux version is out.
Ian

Sankalan >>Hi there, Hello. >>I j...

2010-08-05T10:21:15.803-04:00

Sankalan

>>Hi there,

Hello.

>>I just have a question... I want to go for pay-for-time module. I am serious with work and there will be no bluffing around

Okay.

>>but, will the screen shot application work on linux? I have a web cam as well! I use linux as my operating system!

Unfortunately this release only works with Windows. The next release (which has been delayed but is expected at the end of next month) will support Linux.

>>Also, how can I get into this Pay-for-time stuff?HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!

If you have access to Windows you can start right away. Just go to: https://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/misc/TimeCard/DesktopApp/Overview.aspx for full information.

Ian

Hi there, I just have a question... I want to go ...

2010-08-05T02:28:26.045-04:00

Hi there,

I just have a question... I want to go for pay-for-time module. I am serious with work and there will be no bluffing around but, will the screen shot application work on linux? I have a web cam as well! I use linux as my operating system!

Also, how can I get into this Pay-for-time stuff?

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!

Samir, >>Accutimecard is not working at all...

2010-07-28T15:09:13.883-04:00

Samir,

>>Accutimecard is not working at all. Tried to install it 5times but no luck only errors.

My apologies. Have you contacted support about this? I don't see your email there. There is a known issue with 64 bit windows which may be your issue (and an easy workround). But I can only guess...please write to support and they can get more information from you.

>Btw, it one joins Vworker and finish $10 work here then he gets 25000 rank of out 300000 coders!! strange! i wonder if Vworker is showing fake total number of coders. Ranked #27,476 out of 296,027 (higher than 90.72% of their peers) This profile is example of it. So next time if you see that you are 90% ahead then please dont be happy abt it. its all game.

The ranking is done completely openly and transparently so there is no ability for us (or reason either) to cheat or fake it:
https://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/misc/AllCoderCompleteList.asp

Logic tells you that if you complete a $10 job with a good rating, that will put you ahead of:
1) the vast majority of people who signup but never bother to even place a bid
2) The peole who bid but never win
3) The people who dbid and won, but did poorly and received a poor rating.

However, you can see yourself by simply going through the list, and don't need me to tell you this.

Ian

Grace Group, >>Am excited, my first post he...

2010-07-28T15:03:51.878-04:00

Grace Group,

>>Am excited, my first post here, anyways.

I'm glad to hear it and it's nice to talk with you.

>>RaC has been always working to increase the buyers trust on crowd sourcing & making it easy to work for workers, this is another step where workers are comfortable to prove that they are justifying their work.

Thanks for the compliment and I'm also excited to see workers being able to earn more and more easily than in the past.

>>Just a question for Ian:
Can you make it easy & lower down the cost of bringing our money back home (Pakistan)? what about money bookers? Western Union is still too costly even after the reduction in rates by RaC (i really appriciate your effort Ian).
Kindly update us on it as we are anxiously waiting for a low cost return of payments.

Actually, moneybookers does not allow payments from the U.S. to Pakistan. A whole other blog post was already written on this topic (payments to places like Pakistan), and you can check that for additional information.

Ian

Accutimecard is not working at all. Tried to inst...

2010-07-28T13:59:58.067-04:00

Accutimecard is not working at all.

Tried to install it 5times but no luck only errors.

Btw, it one joins Vworker and finish $10 work here then he gets 25000 rank of out 300000 coders!! strange!
i wonder if Vworker is showing fake total number of coders.

Ranked #27,476 out of 296,027 (higher than 90.72% of their peers)

This profile is example of it.

So next time if you see that you are 90% ahead then please dont be happy abt it.

its all game.

Am excited, my first post here, anyways. RaC has b...

2010-07-28T11:23:17.426-04:00

Am excited, my first post here, anyways.
RaC has been always working to increase the buyers trust on crowd sourcing & making it easy to work for workers, this is another step where workers are comfortable to prove that they are justifying their work.
Just a question for Ian:
Can you make it easy & lower down the cost of bringing our money back home (Pakistan)? what about money bookers? Western Union is still too costly even after the reduction in rates by RaC (i really appriciate your effort Ian).
Kindly update us on it as we are anxiously waiting for a low cost return of payments.

Reeda, >>I installed the accutime card appl...

2010-07-27T10:32:26.366-04:00

Reeda,

>>I installed the accutime card application and it shows the icon on the desktop

Great

>> however, the problem is that it asks me to log in with my email address. The question is which email address?

It's the same email address that you registered on the site and use to login to the site with.

>>I have uninstalled and reinstalled the application 3 times and i still cant log in becuase of that email address requirement. is there any other website from where i can download this application?

It will always ask you that because it needs to know who you are so it can show you which projects you've won.

If you can't remember your email address, you can use the "forgot password" to have the password emailed to you at the address(es) you think it might be. Or you can send us an email (while logged in) via the feedback page to support and we can tell you what your email address is.

Ian
Reeda

Ian, I installed the accutime card application an...

2010-07-27T05:14:42.110-04:00

Ian,

I installed the accutime card application and it shows the icon on the desktop however, the problem is that it asks me to log in with my email address.
The question is which email address?

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the application 3 times and i still cant log in becuase of that email address requirement.

is there any other website from where i can download this application?

Reeda

Ty, >>Ian, I must again mention that suppor...

2010-07-27T00:03:45.761-04:00

Ty,

>>Ian, I must again mention that support is not being helpful lately but I'm not sure if my win xp is 64 bit. It did stop updating a few weeks back and both the pc and xp may be a bit old.

I apologize. However I looked for your email in support (at) vworker.com but didn't see it. Did you send it somewhere else by accident?

When you say "stop updating" I wonder if you're saying "windows update" no longer works? If so, that is a sign of something deeper wrong with your computer. If you contact support they can give you much more help than I can without knowing your specifics.

Ian

>>Hey, I too have no webcam and cannot insta...

2010-07-26T23:37:04.562-04:00

>>Hey, I too have no webcam and cannot install the new timecard. Same as when the beta came out.
JVM Error "Cannot find Main Class".

Ian, I must again mention that support is not being helpful lately but I'm not sure if my win xp is 64 bit. It did stop updating a few weeks back and both the pc and xp may be a bit old.

Ty A.
http://www.demossoft.com

Tamer, (continued:#2) >>> No it's...

2010-07-20T14:15:20.637-04:00

Tamer,
(continued:#2)

>>> No it's not irrelevant because: in actuality employers pay the fee as much as workers do.
>>Yes, I agree with this point... thanks for clarification.

You're welcome Tamer.

>>>> Most employers seem to have already understood the advantages (as evidenced by its huge growth) and didn't need an article written to them.
Now, "growth" is a very elastic word :)
I would be interested to know the % of pay-for-time projects compared
to total number of projects done during a specific period. While "growth" IS relevant... the % of these types of projects compared
to the total is more compelling. Of course if you don't want to share the official statistics of this...
that would be totally understandable.

You can see the growth rate publicly on the Pulse of vWorker.com page (you can also compare this to the total number of projects). The growth rate is ridiculously high right now (11,232%/month and 134,784%/year) simply because it's so new and it's starting from nothing. Over time that will subside to a lower, more reasonable/expected level of growth. This info is at: http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/misc/Reports/PulseOfVworker_Graphs.aspx#ProjectsPerMonth
(warning this page is very slow to load if you are the first person viewing it since the server has auto-restarted, so please give it up to a minute to display if its slow).

>>Now... you said that most employers "didn't need an article written to them" hmm... may be that's true... i don't know! I REALLY needed your clarifications... who is fault is that? (I hear you saying: YOURS!) LOL But I honestly think that the pay-for-time projects were not explained well for employers (in spite the "growth") and if you want it even to grow more... then ask your team, to explain its benefits to employers
(in a newsletter, webinar, videos...etc..)

I can understand you thinking that, because as a worker you've never posted a project and never seen what we tell employers. (see the link I gave earlier for this info) They have to be educated very early in the process so they can make an educated decision. At the same time, you are right that it never hurts to explain things more. We are working on videos (for both employers and workers) for example.

>>I have a "little" clue that employers were not given enough chance to understand
the pay-for-time advantages... Noticed the post from "Steve" above? He too, thought that we can't rate workers for good/bad experience in a pay-for-time projects? well... we are 2 now :-)

Well, actually he only thought that because he read what you posted and thought it was true. We don't say anywhere that you can't rate workers when this happens.

>>I know that this is immaterial compared to thousands of employers at vworker.com I guess, the best thing to do is to conduct a survey/poll for employers only...to measure their understanding of advantages/disadvantages/limitations of the pay-for-time projects...

We actually did this poll a month or two ago and intereviewed both employers and workers. That's where we learned that many workers are not understanding the advantage of pay-for-time. Employers did not have the same problem (at least in that poll).

>>Well, I hope i was objective... I assure you that I have no hidden agenda, or "motives" other than explaining my thoughts (publicly, since your article is publicly available as well).

I appreciate that greatly Tamer.

Ian

Tamer, >>Dear Ian... Thanks, for your clari...

2010-07-20T14:14:56.036-04:00

Tamer,

>>Dear Ian...
Thanks, for your clarifications...
I admit that some of my understanding of the pay-for-time projects were incorrect...
So I'm grateful that you've corrected these concepts for me.

You're welcome and I'm glad I could be of help.

>>Good... but being in a fair marketplace, I personally
would be interested in the whole process (i.e. if I'm an employer
then I need to see how workers will be reacting to any change in the marketplace.. and vice verse of course).

I understand. Employers get educated very early on the differnces between pay-for-time versus pay-for-deliverables because they have to choose between the two when posting a project. If you are interested in seeing what information is given to them you can see it at:
https://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/docs/ProjectPaymentTypes_ForBuyers.aspx

>OUCH! Ian... That hearts more than it sounds (your keyboard strokes) :D I have no affiliation what so ever, with ANY of your
competitors or similar marketplaces online! I'm not working for any other website that might benefit from my post (if any!) I'm not contracted (part or full time) by any of them. and I'm not even a friend of any worker who works for any similar marketplace online! The point is... I have ZERO benefits from posting my comment... it was SIMPLY a comment.

I'm glad to hear that and appreciate that we can have an honest discussion. I do get a little protective of the workers on the site when I perceive someone as attacking their ethics. I apologize for misunderstanding.

>>Because you allowed me to. I mean, you can turn comments on & off, you can bane me from commenting at your blog (this was the first time i comment)
you also can edit/delete my comment (both of which is perfectly acceptable by my, since you've already clarified many things to me).

No, we don't want to turn your commenting off and we're not going to hide what you wrote, because perhaps others may learn from it too. I'm glad we could come to an understanding.

>>> Regardless of your ultimate motives
>>again this hurts :) I have no "motives" other than explaining my thoughts regarding your post. and if that offended you in any way and/or if you feel that 100% of my concerns were false... then feel free to delete my comment. I really mean it. By the way i can say the same about your reply... But i feel that you was so objective in clarifying things to me... and I really was trying to be objective in explaining my thoughts as well. (apparently, I didn't do a good job at this?) :)

I'm just glad to hear that we were able to come to a mutual understanding, and no I will not delete your comment.

>>I totally agree...
While I mentioned unethical workers... i NEVER meant to imply
that the majority of workers at vworker.com are unethical. The opposite is true... the vast majority of the Vworkers at your website
are 100% ethical, and want to provide the highest quality for the money (paid for deliverable or time).

Yes, I agree.

(continued below)

Ty, >>Hey, I too have no webcam and cannot ...

2010-07-20T12:18:05.359-04:00

Ty,

>>Hey, I too have no webcam and cannot install the new timecard. Same as when the beta came out.
Error "Cannot find Main Class".

My apologies for the inconvenience. This issue sounds familiar: are you by chance running 64 bit Windows? If so, Java acts strangely on the majority of 64 bit machines and loses its class path. There is a simple fix we've discovered for this issue, but we need your details to help. I am looking in support (at) vworker.com and not seeing your support email. Please email that address so we can have your account information and environment information and we can help.

>>Also the site search box is on the fritz lately and no one is responding to tech support requests.

It's difficult to figure out your issue over this forum without knowing more details (and I just looked in support (at) vworker.com and don't see anything pending from you). Please see the above to contact support. If you have problems emailing, then call into the office...it's open 7 days a week for exactly this sort of thing.

>>Sure vmware is working out? Bit to reminiscent of the asp issues a while back.

The vmware conversion had to be delayed due to issues/bugs with the vmware conversion software (only a small percentage of servers were able to be converted by the vm software). Until vwware resolves the open tickets the majority of servers are not yet converted.

Ian

Sorry for the multiple posts. Hey, I too have no ...

2010-07-20T09:28:52.447-04:00

Sorry for the multiple posts.

Hey, I too have no webcam and cannot install the new timecard. Same as when the beta came out.

Error "Cannot find Main Class"

Also the site search box is on the fritz lately and no one is responding to tech support requests. Sure vmware is working out? Bit to reminiscent of the asp issues a while back.

Cheers.
Ty A.
DemosSoft Web Hosting.
http://tyademosu.duoservers.com